Basel 2 - United 1

Dont care for stats, sure we were the better side, but what does it matter when we cant score. Its just not good enough, putting aside the fact that we have a few young players comming through, and even more on the injury list, we should have won this game easy. Ever since the first couple of games of the season where we demolished Arsenal and Tottenham, we havent looked the same. I find it hard to believe it is down to Cleverly being injured, and if so, United cant count on one AM to carry us. We played Giggs and Park in central midfield yesterday, for christ sake, then something is not right, neither of them are central midfielders. I dont even want to go into the performance of Evans, this CL exit was not down to just this game, but a string of poor performances. This is a huge disappointment, to go out of the CL in group stages, and we only have ourselves to blame. I really hope SAF will strengthen the midfield this january, go all out to secure Götze, Hamsik or another young talented AM. We could argue that all the youngsters should be given time to gell and mature, and that we should expect a transistion period, and maybe this year is one we should write off as a transit year. As for the Euro league, forget it, its beneath us, let *****ty have it, I hope SAF play only youngsters and the reserves in these games, it does not count as throphy, the day we celebrate the Euroleague, is the day we are doomed. There is no need for any knee jerked reponses, but we havent looked good all season, and we are playing without flair. We will hopefully still win the PL, as I see *****ty going down soon, funny how their CL exit doesnt even soften the blow of us going out.

For being brutally honest and saying what everyone is thinking? Other teams might not say it but their opinions of the Europa are pretty obvious from the squad they field.

No it's not the Europa League that's beneath you nerdy, it's a very large trap door.

Gotze and Hamsik are think are fairly realistic cityman. The clubs they play for don't reflect their ability nor their potential and pretty certain that if the opportunity came along they would sign for us Borussia/Napoli or Man U, bit of a no brainer really. If they want to win significant trophies on a consistent basis then the move is even more likely. As for the Champions League mate your logic is flawed, even if we were still in it and signed them in January they wouldn't be able to play as they will be cup tied to their current teams and I'm certain that come next season we will be back in it. The only thing that makes them unrealistic targets is the distorted market and the money their clubs will demand for them, something Fergie would be unwilling to pay. The wages don't even need thinking about, not every footballer is in it for the money cityman but with the amount of mercs in your squad you wouldn't know that :P

I'm not saying we'll sign whoever we want mate just in the case of Hamsik and Gotze I would fancy us signing them if we were to put in a bid. Heard all the doom and gloom from ya before fcb and guess what? We're still here! So excuse me if I reckon you've cried wolf one too many times.

No mate, we're becoming hated because stupid sheep believe the crap the London-based and pro-united media print about us. We've not changed at all, but now we're winning perceptions of us most definitely have. Besides, nobody will ever out-arrogant manure fans, they are the masters.

Not because we're spending money? See there you go again talking *****. It's clearly because we've spent the money, any idiot can see that. I wouldn't mind mate you do cone out with some decent arguments but then you let yourself down with crap like that.

The arrogance is all a media construct Famous - we haven't changed, we just get reported more. Easy to be led by the tabloids, innit?

What's this? A united fan admitting that City fans are a classy bunch? God you can't be mancunian, your fellow fans would take you out back and strangle you for making an admission like that. Cheers all the same though!

A ture Manc red would never call City fans classy mate, not in a million years, not now, not in the past, not in the future.

Like CM51 says, the "We score when we want" chant is an ironic riposte to your arrogant fans who sing the song "We're United, we'll do what we want", which is pretty much the paragon of arrogance IMO.

Poisoned chalice or beneath you? Two different things altogether.