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How Low Can it Get?

These certainly are worrying times at Old Trafford.

Two successive Premier League home defeats, both by a 3-0 margin, against two of our biggest rivals in Liverpool and, last night, Manchester City, show that Manchester United are far away from where they should be.

With Champions League qualification not going to happen and with a Europa League place not really wanted, these are times where the club needs to have a long hard look at itself.

Last night, having a great chance to knock Manchester City out of their title stride, we couldn`t even last a minute before we were facing an uphill battle.

Although we huffed and puffed and tried to get back into the match, did you really believe we would?

Paul Scholes, a United legend, didn`t and was remarkably honest (and correct) when he remarked to the media,

"When I was playing, we could be two or three down but we never felt we were beaten."

"Tonight, I never thought we`d get back in it, even at 1-0 down."

A sad indication of how low we`ve fallen and how quickly it has happened!

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Writer: Red Boy Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday March 26 2014

Time: 7:47AM

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You ask that question red boy I guarentee Moyes will answer and show you just how low it can get. Probably a 12-0 aggregate drubbing against Byaern. City carved us open with ease imagine what Bayern would do.
You've got to hand it to Moyes I was only expecting a summer of 5hit football with England at the beginning of the season. The level of utter awfulness we've managed to attain so far has actually got me looking forward to the bloody world cup! Least then this crap would be over for a few months thanks Moyes! At this rate I'm going to have to watch cricket a sport I neither understand or enjoy so at the moment very like watching United.
How low can it go? Depends how long Moyes is here for. All the Moyes fan boys that have calling everyone who wants Moyes gone a plastic have all gone very quiet again. Supposedly even Fergie got some stick at last nights game.
Come on lad's, you did well for 45 seconds...... then we scored and it was oh so easy it was just a case of how many and when for us, Mata is good player in an Average side, like Kinkladze was for us in the 90s, lightweight and overpowered last night, that was Mata but he will come good if you get a Yaya or Fernandinho type player to help him....but it could be long road back and very painful.
Could be good if we actually play him in his preferred position also. To be honest, that could be said about half the team who Moyes likes playing out of position.
Isn't his best position Rooney's best position Famous? And it's Kagawa's best position too.
Never realised we even set-up with an in-the-hole player when playing you bluedub, pretty certain it was a 4-3-3 with Welbeck, a striker, playing left wing, mata, a CAM, playing right wing and Rooney, an in-the-hole player (my personal belief that he is better suited to other roles though), playing as an out and out striker. To be honest when Kagawa came on I don't really know what the set-up was and only until Valencia came on could I see the shape. All I saw was Rooney dropped deep into a CM role (the position I think he's skill set suits most) and Welbeck went up top, mata in the hole, Kagawa wide left and Valencia wide right and that's when we looked our most fluid.
My point was more of a general one Famous. I believe Rooney's best position is in the hole and the same with the other too. That's what baffled me about the Mata transfer, spending that much money in an area of the squad where you're probably strongest. As for the set up against us, I believe Moyes tried to copy Mourinho but failed from the outset by playing Mata out wide, if you're going to play counter attacking football you don't play a player with feck all pace on the wing. Can't fathom why Valencia didn't start tbh.
I believe Moyes tried to copy Mourinho but failed from the outset by playing Mata out wide, if you're going to play counter attacking football you don't play a player with feck all pace on the wing. Can't fathom why Valencia didn't start tbh. - That's the sort of tactical suicide horror show we've been exposed to all season Bluedub. Fergie wasn't the greatest tactician but Moyes makes him look like Mourinho in comparison.

The logic behind the Mata signing was simply to appease the fans and relieve some of the fan pressure. Don't get me wrong, his artillery does provide the team with a creative outlet who can play a killer ball, something we've been lacking for some time now. All the same though if the club felt we really needed that they would've been in for Ozil in the Summer (not saying I would've preferred Ozil, just point out the logical flaw) what with them being similar type of players.

To be honest whilst Rooney has spent most of his career playing in-the-hole for me he's just not your typical modern in-the-hole player. I've made no secret of the idea that I think he's skill set is more suited to that of a central midfielder and I believe that's where Fergie was heading with him in before he retired. If only Rooney embraced the idea, as opposed to reluctantly play it like he did, who knows he could've been the midfielder we need.

Kagawa's preferred position no doubt is in-the-hole but he has shown that when surrounded by players with a similar mind to him, like Mata, he can be effective out wide like back in his Dortmund days. I don't think it's coincidence that when played alongside a similar ilk of player his clever 1-2's and off-the-ball runs have actually been picked up as opposed to neglected like they typically are when seemingly anyone other than Mata occupies the in-the-hole position.

For me the team is suffering and looking disjointed because Rooney is playing in the hole. Mata is forced wide right and isn't anywhere near the player he was at Chelsea for it. Kagawa is dropped entirely or when he does play his movement and interlinking play aren't picked up. Januzaj is shunted wide left where he's capable but this season his best displays have come from wide right where he can come inside on his preferred foot. Finally, RVP suffers because him and Rooney for whatever reason don't want to pass with one another. For me simply dropping Rooney deeper into central midfield alongside Carrick/Fletcher/Fellaini will not only utilise his skill set more effectively and massively improve the central midfield area generally but also allow the rest of the team to play in their natural, preferred position or atleast with players they interlink well with.

The teams better with one player out of position and 4 in their most influential positions than vice-versa 1 in his preferred position (best is arguable) whilst 4 are simply there to accomodate him.
Fair shout Famous, the only reason I'd be reluctant to play Rooney in central midfield ( from a United pov ) is his lack of discipline. He's still hot headed despite mellowing somewhat in recent years, I could see him as a red card waiting to happen if he's constantly involved in midfield battles. I don't mean to rub salt in mate but when I saw De Gea kicking long to Fellaini and others trying to feed off the scraps I thought to myself they might as well have Big Fat Sam in charge.
Funny thing is two of best CM's in recent years have been hot heads susceptible to getting red cards in Keane and Scholes. Not a good thing but if it's what's best for the team then it should happen. This team seems less and less about United and more and more about Rooney with each day Moyes, and in fairness the club, bends over backwards to keep him happy. It's all quite devastating to see to be honest, especially seeing as it's against all the values we've had drilled into us and hold dear about no-one being bigger than the club and all that.

With regards to the Big Fat Sam in charge comments you're not wrong, the incessant crosses epitomise that really but apparently we should back him regardless because Fergie said so. I think Moyes, Fergie & the others up top are trying to hoodwink the fanbase.

Obviously Fergie and Charlton are never going to admit to making a mistake what with their characters let alone being hard-headed and stubborn in their old age. They just keep asserting we'll be alright whilst turning a blind eye to the fact that Moyes is the antithesis of the club, it's philosophy and it's values and ignoring the results and performances that show this.

Moyes on the other hand is trying to con us all into believing we're playing attacking football, the attacking football all of his teams have apparently looked to play. He's conning us all into thinking he's got a winning mentality but at the sametime shouldn't expect much when playing the likes of Newcastle and should instead make it tough for them. He talks about making Old Trafford a fortress but writes us off and bigs up the likes of Liverpool as favourites when they come to town.

If there was ever a time for the Glazers to step out of the shadow and make their intentions for the club clear it would be now. Send Moyes packing, get a good manager in and give them backing in the market. They surely can't be ignoring the capitulation what's going on here, even if they've felt they've left footballing matters in the best hands.

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