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Roy, What Do You Want To Prove?

Roy, What Do You Want To Prove?

Roy Keane has seemingly identified an image problem of his own: I think he believes people consider him to be nothing more but a creation of Sir Alex Ferguson, a loyal puppet of the Manchester United manager.

It is of course rubbish, even if some may think along those lines: anyone who has seen Keano play knows he's quite an individual. But still, he feels it prudent to put as much distance between himself and Fergie as possible.

The latest sign is that he stated Brian Clough was the best manager he ever had.

'I have to say he was an absolute genius," he said.

"I meet other players who played under him and we have all got our own stories, but he was a genius, an absolute genius, and certainly the best manager I played under, without a shadow of a doubt.

'I just feel very lucky, like other players who played under him, to have had that opportunity. He was a genius and he has still left his mark on the football club.

'We were there a few weeks ago and you still feel he is around the building somewhere. I am sure he is - in spirit anyway.'

Brian Clough WAS a genius: there's no denying that. If Keano said, ahead of their visit to Nottingham Forest, that he was on a par with Fergie then there is no problem.

But Keane has been working with Fergie for more than 12 years, he was closer to him than any player ever. Keane's departure was painful, yes, and he might feel it unjust, the way he was treated but he admitted since then that he had made a mistake and apologised for it.

I must ask: would Fergie ever say that one of his players was certainly, without a doubt, better than Roy Keane? I don't think so. It is about respect. I'm not the one to settle the Clough or Ferguson debate: for me, Fergie is the greatest manager ever. But Roy Keane, who achieved his greatest successes with Fergie, and did that while being Fergie's closest ally, simply should not place anyone above the old Scot.

Roy, you've got nothing to prove. You proved that your name alone is a great luring power: Gary Megson or Neil Warnock couldn't have brought Djibril Cissé to Sunderland. We know you're not Fergie's captain anymore, we know that you're a powerful manager of your own. Distancing yourself from the most important man of your footballing career is disrespectful. You should not do it.

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Date:Tuesday August 26 2008
Time: 6:56PM


Or maybe he actually believes that Brain Clough was with out a doubt the best manager he ever played under. And if he does believe that then what's the point in saying any different?
26/08/2008 19:27:00
I think I have explained quite clearly: it's about respect. Roy Keane won seven league titles, four FA Cups and a Champions League under Fergie and worked with him for thirteen years and Fergie wrote it in his autobiography that at the night of the Juventus game in Turin he had felt it an honour to be associated with such a player. Saying, after all this, that someone else was WITHOUT A DOUBT better than Fergie... it's like if Beckham said Capello was a better manager.
26/08/2008 19:31:00
I totally agree with you on this one. I've noticed Keano sticking his beak into the Berbatov debate a few times in the recent weeks and I too thought it was a bit much him saying that Clough was the best WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT and all that. He does seem to go out of his way to appear underwhelmed by Fergy and United in general and has done with virtually everything he has said since he went into management and I would mirror the same question as is asked at the top of the page here - "Roy, what do you want to prove?"
26/08/2008 19:54:00
Agreed. This distancing himself from the club by any means is a tad pathetic. He should be confident enough in his own managerial abilities that he can say what he wants, and not what he thinks will come across best to the public. The mans a United legend, he shoudl embrace it; nt cast it aside as if it is not the SOLE reason he has had so much glory as botha player and manager. I also cant help but sense a slight bit of hypocrisy...I mean, his squad is practically made up of ex-United players. Even more, if he had his own way.
26/08/2008 20:09:00
Well I'm a life-long Spurs fan with no axe to grind and I firmly believe that Brian Clough was the besy manager there has ever been. If you have a read of Clough's excellent autobiography you will find that he considered himself to be the best manager also. However, in his autobiography Clough constantly (every couple of pages) made reference to the fact that Ferguson, however great he was, would always be jealous of himself for winning Back-To-Back European Championships, he revelled in it. I would say that if Fergie could achieve the same in the current season, even Cloughie would be forced to acknowledge him as .... well as almost his equal.
27/08/2008 01:47:00
^Yeah that isnt really the point. As Zae points out, Clough WAS a genius. Its just the way in which Keane has gone about saying it, his words a little disresepctful to the man who gave him his chance at the big time. Also, this is just the latest in a long line of anti-United things Keane has said during his Sunderland tenure.
27/08/2008 11:13:00
I can't understand what Keane hopes to gain. Sometimes (like after the 4-0 win at Sunderland last season) he says he's sure United will win the league, and enthuses about how great we are etc. The other half of the time he's saying Chelsea will win the league, and United will struggle etc.
Man utd champions
27/08/2008 14:36:00
Yes, he is always poking his nose into whatever's going on at United, but to be fair, the chances are, he's going to get questioned on United with it being his old club etc when he's interviewed. And yes, half his team is either old United players or reserves he's had on loan, and the other half are old players who used to play at the top, but their age pushed them down the pecking order. I have great respect for Keane - he needs to show some more to Fergie.
Man utd champions
27/08/2008 14:39:00
You lot don't like the truth do you? ferguson was successful solely on the back of a young midfield quartet that he inherited. Now his only way to keep success is to spend £50million each season. Clough was head and shoulders above any manager, ferguson included. Why should Roy Keane show the most disrespectful man in football any respect? He worked under him for years, so he had first hand experience of what a ***** ferguson is. I, and many millions more have no respect for the old soak, so why should Keane?
29/08/2008 04:33:00
bseymour, you make a mistake there. United do not spend £50 million a season. We have bought no one this season, yet have sold several players; last season, we did buy quite a lot, but they are all long-term players, and the season before, we'd sold van Nistlerooy and others, and only bought Carrick. Over the past few seasons, we've bought less than even Arsenal (I think) and certainly, we've sold more than we've bought. Fergie doesn't BUY success. He buys youngsters with potential, and then turns them into stars (i.e. Ronaldo).
Man utd champions
29/08/2008 09:49:00
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